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      • Sony oled judder reddit Im very dissapointed I haven't noticed much stutter and judder is not there with real cinema on LG, which shows each frame 5 times. It can also remove judder consistently from 60 fps content. Hi I'm considering purchasing LG CX55 OLED and I'm concerned about judder. I've tried experimenting with the LED clear motion and while this seems to works well with netflix content, (non HDR, just HD subscription) when using it on 4k HDR and 1080 non HDR content, it dims the picture The shield always outputs its user defined res/refresh rate, so unless your TV can remove judder from 60p/60hz sources with its film mode setting (not judder/blur reduction sliders), you need to match the content framerate. I am sure that phones with OLED screens do something similar to improve the display of 24p content also. I was pulling my hair out researching settings and tinkering. Most high end tv's especially OLED's have judder removal. It's your TV. We usually also view in dark room. I found BFI helps (OLED motion pro) with 30fps content but you Welcome to r/OLED. It's so fast, nothing blends like on an LCD. Reddit's most popular camera brand-specific subreddit! We are an unofficial community of users of the Sony Alpha brand and related gear: Sony E Mount, Sony A Mount, legacy Minolta cameras, RX cameras, lenses, flashes, photoshare, and discussion. And I would add that, even the common knowledge that OLED has juddery motion is a symptom of OLED’s perfection. I was impressed to realise that the motion is absolutely the same. With OLED, the instant response time isn't usually an issue, it depends on the motion processing capability of the TV, and what settings you use. The Sony X90J LED has bad reflection handling. 1 4K/120 on the Sony. Can't speak for LG experience though. Trumortion fixes stuttering not judder LCD blur everything together, but OLED is sub 1ms response and MS GTG speeds can make thing feel stuttery juddery. I'm looking to upgrade my existing Philips 42pfl6007h/12 to a Philips 55POS9002. If you prioritize input responsiveness above all else, it is the best TV around right now. OLED is just that Judder on OLEDs is definitely a real thing, as you noted. Star fields, for instance, are a huge torture test for local dimming LCD sets and look way better on OLED. That being said, the OLED panel in on itself already helps in these 3 aspects. On my OLED TV (LG C2) I had to enable "cinematic movement" to fix this and not introduce too much smoothing. judder occurs in every tv out of sync, actually panasonic 60 series plasmas eliminated it. There’s Sony X95L but that’s in a different price category. Reflections doesn't have a lot to so with OLED or LED. g. This is why I'd like to see metadata for motion. This may be compounded not only by the larger screen but also by OLED judder on 30 fps content. View community ranking In the Top 5% of largest communities on Reddit. Motion handling is very bad as well. Contrast and brightness - both will be better than the plasma. Lots of folks here stating problems with the Shield. I was super close of picking the LG C9 which by far is the best OLED, but I’m sensitive to motion so I ended up with the Sony. I hate any kind of judder. That's because OLED goes dead to black and reflects the extreme lighting, while QLED has all that bright ambient light to conceal its shortcomings. Still use it in my bedroom. The idea is to reduce the 24p judder without introducing too much of the Soap Opera Effect from motion interpolation. I couldn't afford the LG CX 77inch and so far the only issue is the slightly smaller screen. I've found using De-Judder at 1 makes a solid difference in how bad judder is and how frequently it becomes noticeable, while introducing minimal and infrequently noticeable Soap Opera Effect. Anime has a lot of panning shots and they look atrocious on oled. Im proud to say that cinema mode and "natural" modes are awesome on the G4. Also a MacBook with XDR screen. It's an irregularity, as 24fps doesn't fit into 60fps. One is uneven frame pacing. Is it money well spent (compared to alternatives) B. But 24fps and 30fps video is just a stuttery mess. One compromise that I’ve seen recommended is turning True Motion to User with De-Blur at 0 and De-Judder at 2 or 3. Stutter is choppiness, judder is that the choppiness is not uniform. I later tried de-judder at 1 which helped quite a bit on the OLED stutter but it still seemed a bit un-natural to my eye, I then tried 2 which basically eliminated the stutter but I found SOE starting to creep in, as well as occasional artifacts with certain content. I've read that Sony televisions have amazing motion processing capability and that it's a non-issue even with hockey. I think it looks the best and I think movies and shows and higher refresh rates look awful. The entire scene is brighter, and holy cow, the judder results in a very bad "shimmering" effect. On my LG OLED, I have to have some of the motion stuff on, or the judder on panning shots, and on basically anything that isn't 60fps or higher video (which is most video) is just too much. As an entry-level model, it offers very few extra features, but it's powered by Sony's 4k Processor X1, which is designed to deliver the same great Sony picture processing you've come to expect from a Sony TV. Former C8 owner. 65" at 8' is a good size. Some people are more sensitive to this than others, but in the beginning of owning an OLED you might really notice this. This is of course if the stutter you´re seeing is caused by a frame rate miss match. I guess it comes down to: A. There is also the de-judder option of motion interpolation in OLED Motion Pro. Panning shots in Spider-Man was really bad on the X90J and If I'm spending OLED money, I don't want to deal with this issue. (But LG refers to the motion-smoothing mitigation option as “de-judder”. Well you have 3 Problems here, coming from LCD, which has less visible judder, ging up in size, which makes judder more noticeable and buying a samsung, which hasn't the greatest motion Interpolation. Maybe it's just HDR making it stand out more, but I noticed a very distracting amount of judder in a bright scene in Avengers: Endgame on my LG C9. Upscaling too, smash bros on the switch looks like 480p. Hi, new member of the OLED club here. I've seen reviews by all the usual suspects - HDTVTest, RTINGs, etc and I don't recall anyone of them showing this judder problem. 3:2, 2:3, 2:2, 5:5 frame rate conversions) and deinterlacing so turning if off will result in judder giving poor playback of 23. I've seen similar issues blamed on the fast response time of OLED panels, but that doesn't appear to be the problem to me here. To enable this feature when playing 24p content from an external player, the 'Real Cinema' option must be turned on, and 'TrueMotion' must be set to 'User' with both the 'De-Judder' and 'De-Blur' sliders set to zero. The Vizio Oled was a major downgrade in terms of watching YouTube videos. Judder is startling enough on the “good OLEDs” with a 120hz panel, never mind adding 3:2 pull down into the mix. It also wasn't an OLED which apparently are more susceptible to noticeable judder due to their instant response. But i love all the other Oled features. The settings I listed before will extract the 24p frame rate from the 60hz signal, and then use 5:5 pulldown to display each 24p frame 5 times per second to fit the 120hz refresh rate. I don't know what reviews you are looking at because it's usually acknowledged the software processing in Panasonic and Sony OLEDs is better overall. At home, OLED gets better than the store, and QLED gets worse than the store. When I move the camera in a game like Astrobot or AC Valhalla it stutters slot, seems like the movement is too fast for the TV, for now the only fix I found is to disable HDR and it does not fix it completely it decreases it alot and makes it bearable. If you have an oled TV it could also be because of the oled judder caused by oled´s instantaneous response time. Overall I’m loving the TV, OLED is a massive leap ahead of LED backlit. 24 to 60. ”Keep in mind people attack OLED motion because everything else is essentially perfect. . It does NOT create a soap opera effect. I've tried black frame insertion (OLED Motion set to ON within the TruMotion>User settings). As a compromise, I've settled on dejudder set at 2. Honestly, it's bad. Share De-Judder 2, De-Blur 4 (could be even less) just to make better on the eyes, it really helps on those huge ladscape shots, and suprisingly well in anime, where there is tons of static images where camera is just moving from bottom to top, these are so much better with smoothing and acutally perfect example what smoothing is for and isn't very this is the biggest problem with current LG OLED's ihmo, people love to bang on about image retention but judder, WOT'S THAT!? My plasma handled this much better and reportedly Sony OLED's do a much better job with judder which makes them the preferred option for cinephiles who are after the OLED experience. I’m sensitive to the so-called “soap opera effect” too, and it’s a compromise, but judder is far worse for me. The picture is still vibrant and beautiful in a way LCD doesn't match but I'm starting to regret my purchase for using this TV on a home entertainment PC. I keep reading that Sony has better motion handling than LG when watching movies, and can effectively alleviate panning judder without much/any SOE. In this case you have to dial in the settings on the TV for this (which can cause soap opera effect), and/or dim the screen) Apr 22, 2021 · Figured I'd ask a more specific question regarding my Sony vs LG OLED decision. It's so distracting. Current sony a80j owner. As the other redditor said, it really depends on you. Plasma is probably better at handling sports motion. Only for De-Judder is bad, since that goes for 24 and 30 fps content. ) I’m that guy. ) I will be downvoted, but I'm gonna be negative here: for me 30 fps games are unplayable on my OLED. 60/24 = 2. You definitely can just slide judder setting up to 10 based on your preferences as well though. On the Sony side of things , i picked up a 42" A90k last black Friday as my first time OLED. Common/Frequently Asked Posts answered by the FAQ may be removed. And the upscaling was atrocious as well. I have a Sony X90J and streaming via IPTV is actually decent and watching fast sports is handled well. I’m not sure it’s so minor. I don’t think black frame insertion will help. Sony is pretty good but there's really no way around some judder when a scene has a pan that is just a little too quick. My LG TV correctly receives the feed as HDR10 and the picture and colours and resolution look good, but there is consistent judder / micro-stuttering of the picture that makes it basically unwatchable. Jul 16, 2018 · First it is a fantastic tv to watch 4k hdr movies , but it is unsuitable for playing PS4 games runing at 30 fps, like god of war . You can not get rid of judder completely on an oled, but its still a much better tv than any nonoled. I also noticed a dead pixel on the Sony X900, but it wasn't visible when viewing content. I bought my parents a Sony X900F in 2018, myself an LG B2 in 2022, and the Sony X90L today. The same panning shots on the C9 that may throw off artifacts are super clean now. I bought the Vizio Oled as my first Oled last year, coming from a entry level Samsung 4k. Ambient light - Lots of ambient light go for LCD, minimal ambient light go for OLED Viewing angles - viewing directly in front on the TV go for LCD or OLED, viewing from any angle go for OLED. The Samsung gets crazy bright, but has all the common deficiencies of an LCD/LED, also without dolby vision support (all the other TVs under your consideration DO feature Dolby Vision support There is no "bad" OLED that you should stay away from. The soap opera effect is barely noticeable, but it somewhat mitigates the judder. If you are a 24 FPS cinema purist, OLED is probably not the best tech for it. De-Blur is more for 60+ fps content. The processing in a Sony OLED even from last year is insanely good. blur occurs way way more in oled and lcd since they are sample and hold, plasma nad crt works the best in that matter. Hey guys, I could really use your help with this issue. When I did this the TV produced a 3:2 cadence when running a 24fps judder test from Rtings which means that while it was receiving a 24fps signal it wasn't performing 5:5 pulldown but instead performing 3:2 and then doubling it to achieve 120hz. I’ve got the settings pretty dialed in at this point. The black level and colors on all of them are incredible. turning ON TrueMotion to User and finding a balance between stutter and Soap-Opera effect. The RTings page sections on Stutter and 24p Judder has good advice. Content - News ticker 24/7 go for LCD, mixed content go for OLED. I've had no complaints at all. So I was going to return and find a non-OLED option. But I was pleasantly surprised to discover that neither of the issues that concerned me bothered me at all. vrr solves judder by having the console/computer tell the TV when the next image comes, so the TV's update frequency is variable for games. 3:2 pulldown judder is different from refresh rate stutter. All are on sale right now. If you put motion on 2-3 out of 10 it looks natural to me. (I say stutter/judder because people debate which is really the culprit) I upgraded from a Sony Bravia KDL-500W800B LCD TV. There's no way around it other than 1. Currently have an 85" Samsung QLED and I'm looking to move into a Sony. I had a Sony AH8 65 OLED for a month before returning it for an LG WX 65 OLED due to lack of 2. I still didn't game on it, so no point of tweaking it yet I guess. judder could occur in 24fps, not 30, since it refreshed in 60hz. I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. I mostly watch movies on bluray and OLED is the way to go imo. I've had my LG C1 for exactly one week today. I had heard horror stories about motion problems with OLED ( along with brightness issues) and being kind of OCD, I had concerns. Material shot at 24 FPS when panning quickly will exhibit judder unless you turn on TruMotion. And no, an IPS panel will never have the wide dynamic range that an OLED does, but the color accuracy on Sony TVs is generally terrific. Try De-Judder between 1 and 4, and De-Blur to 0. I leave all the other motion stuff off since I don't like the soap opera effect. But as others have said you get used to it. I had a LG oled 5 years ago ans it struggled with judder for sports. It's not 3:2 pulldown that's causing the judder issue, it's the ultra-fast GTG refresh rate of OLED. I have a Panasonic 65VT60 plasma, a 65 LG B7 OLED, a 65 CX OLED and a 77 Sony A80J. I’m only talking about Sony OLED versus LG OLED. This is my 3rd TV I have purchased. Removing myself from OLED is difficult, however considering my current circumstances, it would not be the most appropriate purchase. The A90J and the A95K/A95L have Heatsinks included as well. Judder is from 2:3 pulldown, and you're correct that you don't have that (assuming you're actually at a physical 120Hz (or some integer multiple of 24Hz) on the TV's panel). Dec 15, 2018 · My TV, the Sony Bravia 55XF90, is a 120hz panel. Then I tried it with my computer monitor, a Dell. Sony is a relatively close 2nd and the LG is definitely in 3rd place (although all are much better than an LCD especially without backlight strobing or blur reduction). Very noticeable. I would say most people conflate ‘judder’ and ‘stutter’ to mean the same thing, but they’re not. Netflix judder was terrible to the point I got a headache. The Sony is for the family, and resides in the living room. I like watching 24 fps content. So you get judder. True Motion might help smooth this for you. My first OLED (55 inch CS) is arriving on Friday and I feel like I have fairly decent answers to pretty much all my questions bar this one - I disliked motion smoothing on my LCD screen and I'm aware that for the most accurate calibration it's still generally frowned on, but a lot of reviewers have said that the faster response time on OLED screens makes a certain amount of judder between Motion: I hate judder, these oled pixel response times always made me do a 3-4 on judder setting on my C9. OLED pixels have a super fast response time so you get almost zero blur vs a standard VA / IPS panel. Also don't turn on black frame insertion since its too much flicker. I returned for a 55C7P. That comes from black frame insertion. Samsung s90c OLED HELP!!! soap opera effect, stuttering (judder maybe?) and lip sync issues An unofficial subreddit for everything related to Sony's BRAVIA series of televisions. If I'm watching a movie I just manually change refresh rate to 24p, then back to 59. For what it's worth, this is all completely overblown if you're getting a modern TV with modern motion tech. Initially, I bought the Sony A80L OLED from them because I had previously owned an OLED. Hello r/Oled, . All submissions, comments and information exchanged here is strictly user to user and should not be considered as representative of Sony or any of its products. I’m thinking of picking up a C9 OLED, but I’ve read about some issues with judder on 30 FPS games. Between the instant response tone of an OLED, combined with 24p not being evenly divisible into 60hz, this means you deal with 3:2 pull down which will make judder VERY prominent on this display without heavy motion processing. A Sony X80J 55" is $1000. Or rather, better on the OLED which has anti-juddering and no pulldown. My second option is TCL C845 but I prefer Sony quality. Now, do I really need to see Martin Short's face in magnificent detail? No. Unlike my old LCD the stutter is really strong - unless there is a heavy motion blur effect - you can see and discern individual frames. PQ is phenomenal. The plasma has the best motion and it’s noticeable. So for me it was: wide angle, Sony's great color accuracy, and Sony's excellent upscaling of 1080p content. Recently returned a Samsung Q60a because I wasn't in love with it. Eh after obsessively reading up on this it seems Sony's are only marginally better (if at all) compared to the newer LGs. I live in New Zealand and we are not going to get the 48" anytime soon, and even the 55" was out of stock. OLED seems to bring this out more prominently than LCD. 120hz TV's will naturally display proper 24hz/25hz programs if you match content framerate as well as being able to remove Dec 5, 2024 · Twitter Facebook Email Reddit that auto de-judder system that actually works. When it comes to gaming monitors, that same motionflow technology from It sits above the Sony X75K and below the Sony X80L, which aren't widely available [htbuyingguides note: not coming to the US]. The judder happens because OLED refresh rates are so high, that the transition between frames is instantaneous. With Trumotion set De-Blur- 10 De-Judder-3 helped alot but not perfect for an expensive TV. Gaming on it has been phenomenal with my PS5. However, this doesnt remove the judder until I start increasing the Judder Reduction slider, but with that comes the soap opera effect. If you value motion handling the A80J is noticeably better than my CX, which is better than the B7. I assumed they were lemons or maybe OLEDs were just prone to those things. The judder I’d read about it in my research. I love everything about this TV aside from the judder. A few years ago when I was in the market for my OLED the Sony panels could not get as bright as LG. I use a Roku Ultra LT. The Sony is hands down the better all round performer for motion handling and colour across all input types - Sky TV in particular is horrible on the LG, even the sky hd movie channels are hard work. After months of research I picked up an 65”LG C2 last week, replacing my 55” 2019 TCL series 6 — a significant upgrade and my first ever OLED TV. When I move the camera in a game like Astrobot or AC Valhalla it stutters alot, seems like the movement is too fast for the TV, for now the only fix I found is to disable HDR (Ultra deep color) and this does not even fix it completely but it decreases it alot and makes it bearable. My use case will be primarily watching films, and I'm a bit of a purist. ” This is exactly right. Plus the A90J is a Master Series OLED whereas the other A80J, A80K, A80L, A95L aren't. 5, so instead of having all your 24fps frames move in a consistent fashion, you're going to have some frames inserted a little bit quicker than the rest. My question is this: Is the stuttering worth getting used too? Right now i feel that i cannot, and all oled seem to have the same stutter inherently, because each frame remains longer. But I LOVE the picture on my OLED, especially for games, they look so great and smooth. Stutter is caused by fast pixel response times, as my man here describes, and that is what you're seeing. So i thought maybe the size of the TV was a factor in my 10x10 room. If you do that the judder pretty much goes away but you have that soap opera effect (SOE). Judder and blur was fine, but the stutter when watching movies, which are all 24 frames per second, is very noticeable. Seems like this is a common issue but I am watching the Liverpool vs. This almost makes it worse than an LCD tv. Wherever I look I see the same anime. OLED will scorch your eyes compared to the plasma. The TV is a near a window so brightness of the tv during day use may be a factor to consider. 976fps or 24fps content and improper If it's actual judder, try enable "real cinema" and make sure your blu-ray player outputs 24 fps. . If you use your TV for gaming a lot though and want HDMI 2. Back when I decided to buy an OLED I tried multiple LG CXs because I kept noticing judder and raised blacks and artifacts while watching movies and TV shows. I also have ATT Fiber 1gig internet (which has been rock solid) hardwired to my AppleTV I have the same issues that OP listed. Also have a 77” Sony A80J OLED and a 65” LG CX OLED. My answer is solely based for the De-judder I’ve got a new Bravia A80K OLED. Sony OLEDs also have a reputation for better motion interpolation but I haven't done a side-by-side test myself to see how much less noticeable it is on a given Sony model than on my LG C8. Edit: It is stutter, not judder. I just bought a LG C7 and noticed a real problem with the C7's Netflix app getting nasty judder when watching Dolby Vision content, particularly during pans. I have an OLED B9 and the ps5 quality is amazing but the framerate seems off. Welcome to r/OLED. Literally double the input lag. However, I’ve noticed that the stutter can be quite bad at times with 24p content and I know OLEDs are inherently bad for this due to the faster response time. Also if you want to save money or have budget constraints LG is cheaper than the Sony. The OLED looks great, but even at 60fps gaming the screen response is so fast that everything looks like judder to me during fast scanning scenes. I have a four year old Sony OLED and with just absolute minimum motion smoothing settings I have not noticed any judder or stutter whatsoever in films (worth noting that without the motion smoothing there is some noticeable judder, but it just goes to show how well-implemented the tech Right now I've looked at the Hisense U7K, TCL Q7, and the LG OLED A2. I don't want it to judder all over the place though. Motion/Cinema settings on at minimum levels and rarely have a problem. Chelsea game in 4K this morning. I never thought of it as being a major issue as my prior TV was a Sony which I guess is the best at handling this. Artifacts are also very apparent if you try and crank up interpolation. For games of course the higher frames and refresh rate the better. If by judder you mean stutter, you're probably just sensitive to it. Would the philips 120hz panel add any benefits compared to the 60hz Sony panel. The only issue that still bothers me is the noticeable judder/stuttering on slow panning shots in shows & movies. Could the Sony 60hz panel add 24p jitter ? I got a new ps4, I got an apple tv and tried the match frame rate option, I got a new tv that removes 24p judder via 60p, returned that tv, got another one that had judder removal AND motion interpolation which didn't work super well, I've experimented with every single setting on every device I have. Real Cinema should be on, Motion Pro (LG's name for black frame insertion) should be off and TruMotion should be set to User with both sliders at 0 (though you might want to add a little of the De-Judder slider to taste). Sony handles motion the best and if you have the money to spend and mostly use the tv for movies don’t is the way to go. Mostly folks saying it’s not that big of a deal, the inky blacks and rich colours far outweigh this minor issue. That doesn't mean OLED motion is bad, and you don't need to have soap opera effect to fix it. That said, everything else oled is superior, so you suffer through it. Apparently Sony has the best motion without enhancement, but the nature of low response screens and sample and hold is that the image is on the screen far longer than it is with traditional display technologies. They're both shit with the stutter An unofficial subreddit for everything related to Sony's BRAVIA series of televisions. Typically, I've always turn off motion smoothing features, but in this case should I use a low de-judder setting. Heard that the motion on C2 is improved to C1 and close to Sony levels. The judder is always there. New CX owner here, first OLED. This is how I'd rank the Sony OLEDs. An unofficial subreddit for everything related to Sony's BRAVIA series of televisions. So are other tvs like lg and Sony better for this? I heard this is a general OLED issue due to instantaneous pixel response times, but perhaps other tvs have a better algorithm. I hate judder, but the LCD stutter I don't really mind as I can get used to it pretty quickly. Hello everyone (first post on this sub reddit). Have you read the Stickied Frequently Asked Questions Post before Posting? Rule V. Should I be worried? Yea the Sony A8G has a lot more features to customize your liking for motion and I haven’t found one complaint with motion on my OLED yet especially for gaming. Reply reply More replies ArbitrageurD This past week I got a new LG C2 OLED, Apple TV 4K 3rd gen, certified Monoprice 48Gbps HDMI cables, and YouTube TV 4K service. Again the same judder. LG and Sony are the best in that regard, IMO. - OLED Specific FAQ & 2023-2024 OLED TV Buying Guide. It was incredibly jarring to me when playing 30fps video games but I’d take judder / almost zero input lag / best HDR experience I’ve ever seen vs less judder and a subpar image. LG could reach 1000 nits while Sony could reach 800 nits. LG suck at naming, so while de-judder does eliminate judder (by inserting intermediate frames between source frame content to essentially mimic everything being 120fps), its main purpose is for eliminating stutter. From what I've now learned the effectiveness of removing judder from 24p content varies from TV brand to TV brand. The judder on my sony oled isn't as bad as the QM8 despite having a way faster response time, which is what causes judder. I did try Black Frame Insertion ("OLED Motion Pro") but that didn't solve the scene from Queen's Gambit. They don't have enough dimming zones to really give you the poppy highlights without blooming. With the near instant response you will get judder on any OLED . Now I am in talks with Philips support and they acknowledged that there is a known issue with motion when slowly panning horizontally. The 55" and 65" S90C are using the 1st generation QD-OLED panels while the 77" is using the 2nd generation QD-OLED panel because no 77" gen 1 panels were ever made, it is brighter and solved the lifted blacks issue. I really like Sony (My current Bravia is 11yrs) and they seem to have good quality according to rtings longevity test. This is common and called "judder" and is because the Shield is more "manual" while built in apps are "automatic" when it comes to content and refresh rate matching with the TV, but also the OLED has a much faster response time itself, so when using the Shield and refresh and content don't match, the pixels are refreshing so much faster that it actually shows not only the mismatch more, but Sony's Mini-LED sets are kind of lackluster compared to OLED, IMO. No blur and fast response time benefits of the OLED, cause 30 fps judder issue is too pronounced to my eyes at the fast camera movements. Reddit will crucify me for this recommendation, but the Q80a is one of the lowest input lag TVs ever tested. After 60 hours of use, I decided to return it and try the Sony X900H. I have a C1 and I use a low level of anti-judder (motion smoothing) when watching movies. If you're really concerned about motion a Sony OLED is the likely best OLED for you. Its Oled so the blacks are inky, HDR seems better even though it doesn't get as bright as the 900h but it gets way darker so the contrast space makes up for it. The other is an artifact of sample and hold screen technology, you can try the smoothness slider but it inherently alters the content and interpolates frames. LGs can even pretty reliably detect 24 fps material in a 60 hz signal. You confuse judder with stuttering is only on due to low frame rate. Oled response time is just super fast. Overall the LG CX is hands down a better TV. Get the Reddit app Scan this QR code to download the app now Adds a little extra judder sometimes. Almost every OLED is a 120 hz natively and should have a setting allowing it to detect 24 fps and appropriately perform 5:5 pulldown. Sony neither endorses nor participates in this subreddit. The studder on that thing was so bad I was afraid to watch it for fear of inducing a seizure on my family (especially with anime). Don't recommend. However, the toughest scenes (like slow pans with large, light-on-dark objects on screen) will never be perfect unless you jack the De-Judder setting up Both LG and Sony have a separate mode for this outside of this setting as it's not really related to motion interpolation processing, Samsung is just weird about how they let you enable it but many believe it doesn't work exactly the same as how it does on competing TV's, hence many having issues with judder without using a setting of 1 versus OLED does a lousy job of showing itself off on the bright retail floor, where QLED thrives. I really hate the soap opera effect. Judder is the natural slower than the human eye perceives reality frame rate of 24fps and it feels different on every delivery system. I miss my Sony OLED TV from 2018, have a C9 now and 24 FPS movies or 30 FPS games is a disaster, the Ture Motion even at de-judder 1 adds too many artifacts. While the difference between a Sony oled and Lg oled is subtle to many eyes, the difference is easily discernible between the two too someone who knows what to look for. But there is only so much software can do as every brand uses the same panels. I returned my Sony 900h 75inch for a 65inch Oled. If I never experienced an OLED set, I would've kept it. It's not judder, that's native to LED TVs, it's stutter, inherent of OLED technology and instant pixel response. Do your research and decide based on your use case. Overall I trust the Sony more but still hesitant. I own a Sony A8H 65" and a LG C9 55", and there's a massive difference between the final image you get with any processor assistance. I definitely see some judder on vertical lines in movies and some weird hitching on wide pans in some movies (Hand of God on Netflix had many of these for some reason). Any bright object that moves quickly or is in a panning shot appears to judder back and forth extremely quickly, rendering details impossible to make out. Biggest concern is light bleed, screen uniformity, black levels and smootheness. Judder/stuttering of frames while watching football in 1080p and 4K. If you are sensitive to soap opera effect and ALSO to screen judder due to OLED instant screen response, try these settings: De-Judder 6, De-Blur 8. Works for me. 1 LG is the way to go. Admittedly though, I use the two TVs very differently. The problem is that I've been reading on a lot of forums that the new OLED TVs have serious judder issues, so I want to make sure it won't happen before I buy one. Sony is known for having the best motion handling to my knowledge. The Sony TVs are all out if this is the case. It's hard going back to LCD/LED after viewing an OLED. However I seem to be in the category of users who is somewhat sensitive to the stutter/judder on 24fps movies. In comparison, a Sony OLED that was available in that store did not exhibit these motion issues at all. Viewing angle is also so bad that you cannot see the whole screen in a sweet spot unless you're ludicrously far. It's not perfect, though as there are some minor artifacts on my B9 but it's still better than viewing juddery or all-soapy picture. Meanwhile my wife is blissfully ignorant of both somehow, I envy her. If so, just use truemotion on whatever setting you are comfortable with. With current OLED technology, it's still pick whichever poison you think you can get used to—soap opera effect or stutter. Since their instant pixel response time is really the enemy of our problem. Then I put my old LG LCD next to it. QD-OLED is a superior technology, but I don't trust Samsung's reliability. 9 for everything else. Is this still bad? Currently using a Q70R QLED but… This is particularly beneficial for OLED, enhancing peak brightness and longevity. For 60fps games I think you can still keep the judder setting enabled as it seems to work fine. Truth to be told, OLED displays are in tough luck. Hey guys, question. Does Sony have some kind of secret or is it that LG and Samsung don't want to spend the extra money to develop a processor that rivals Sony's? For example with the QD-OLED's, the S95B and A95K are the exact same panel but the Sony is basically twice the price. To all you A80J and A90J console gamers out there, is this juddering a real problem? I though that too but I tested this from my Apple TV where I set it to Match Frame Rate and then turned off Real Cinema and TrueMotion. The OLED have fairly similar performance, the LG being more appropriate for cutting edge gaming, the Sony having supposedly superior motion handling. One note: this problem you're describing is referred to as 24p "stutter", and is different from the similarly named issue called "judder". I run my 2017 Shield all day with my Sony OLED no problems. Plus, Sony's advanced backlight control system gives us contrast that's getting remarkably close to OLED territory An unofficial subreddit for everything related to Sony's BRAVIA series of televisions. How do OLEDs perform for watching sports vs a QLED or mini-led? Is judder a major factor in comparison? I'll mainly be watching 60fps content. getting used to it or 2. You can make it disappear but then things look soapy. Judder is the cadence or rhythm of how the stutter moves. I now I'm sure Sony had made improvements from year to year, but if I'm buying a Sony OLED, I'm going with the glossy panel on the A90J or A95K/A95L. It seems the U7K and Q7 will beat the A2 in brightness but obviously not contrast. Sony has their technology call motion flow for movies, and it works. The motion handling could be better. Decided to go for the x90j instead and instantly love the colours more, cable box picture seems better with less judder but watching movies or tv shows on Netflix, HBO Max, Amazon Prime etc is infuriating. What is it about Sony's processor that can't be matched or beaten by LG and Samsung. Judder is an artifact from converting one framerate to another, e. In case you don't know how this feature works, it's like the motion settings outside of game mode where there is a blur setting to use for those 60fps games and judder setting for those 30fps games. Some will recommend settings CineMotion to Off to further reduce any perceived motion interpolation but CineMotion is Sony's feature that applies pulldown detection (ie. Plus the clearly superior picture quality. I came from a VT60 (Fist of all it's not judder but stutter in this case, you only see judder with 24fps movies on 60hz screens. Also, would OLED motion give any benefit. Watched a few films so far after a week of using the TV. I usually use the cinema clear setting when it comes to motion handling on the LG or just off. Motion flow simply stops judder from happening. - OLED Specific FAQ & 2022 OLED Specific Television Buying Guide. judder can also occur if content is in 100fps and device is on 120hz. I've also read that direct sunlight can damage an OLED panel. limn zcdw bcex tbdwf kfvbq uagal tof fhm yaso hnsgmh